Title: Israelis shoot man with learning difficulties

Category: News and Views

Post 1 by Albanac (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 06-Sep-2008 13:31:37

Author: Rory McCarthy

Man in critical condition in hospital after soldiers arrive to arrest his brother
Read it here.

Post 2 by Senior (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Saturday, 06-Sep-2008 19:11:16

I remember some people who either had learning difficulties or were mentally ill (I can't remember which), blowing themselves ub in Iraq after being taken advantage of by an extremist group (probably al-Qaeda). However, I can't find the discussion topic you posted about it. I also can't find your discussion topics about Palestinians killing people with learning difficulties, so is it definitely correct that nobody with learning difficulties has ever been killed by Palestinians in the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Post 3 by Raskolnikov (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 07-Sep-2008 1:52:59

Simon you have your reasons for posting this, I know you dislike all the things going on between Israelis and Palestinians.
I’m not very well-informed about what’s going on over there, but reading the details in this story there’s no other way for me to react than to say what happened was wrong. It seems from what was going on that it was something done in the heat of the moment and perhaps accidental. I have never been in such a situation, so judging or criticizing these soldiers is something I can’t do. Mistakes occur. When things like this happen to disabled persons the usual reaction is perhaps stronger than it would be if it was someone one hundred percent healthy. I think loss of life is loss of life, victimization is victimization, and taking to account a person’s mental or physical health is somewhat wrong; it should only matter if the injury or death was not accidental. If it were a case of cruelty, where you have a bully or tyrant torturing a powerless person, then yes, I think the victim’s health should be considered.
I wonder if there is any difference between learning disability and mental disability. Such words carry a lot of stigma, I'm not sure if this is the proper word here, but I'm pretty sure this attitude is the same anywhere in the world where disabled persons are found. "Mentally challenged" is kinda vague, what exactly does it mean, and what would these words mean to soldiers patrolling an area marred by war?
Here in Inglewood( California ) law enforcement is under investigation because officers in a few months shot and killed four unarmed persons in a way that is not acceptable by anyone. Nobody is saying they shot and killed these victims heartlessly or intentionally, it is actually being looked upon as a case of contagious shooting. I’ve overheard some people say that being shot with rubber bullets is more painful than being shot with lead, don't think this is very true, though.
Even in more developed nations most people are not informed about mentally disabled persons, nor are they informed about how to deal with them. Just because persons are in positions of authority doesn’t mean that they know how to deal with every single case involving the disabled. If I were among those soldiers I’d probably be worrying whether the man is physically capable enough to use a gun or to overpower me. I'd be reading body language; the brain is a type of muscle, but what a person's body is saying is what's visible and I think it's actually what would matter more to me than anything else in this case.
Another problem here in California is that in prisons some mentally ill inmates have actually fought to be treated the same as all others, which leads to a huge problem. How do you supervise such inmates when they’re let out of the health ward to live among the general public? I think it’s dangerous because in prison I imagine there are many violent individuals.
I don’t know much about this, but these words are all I can think of to add here.

Post 4 by Miss Gorgeous (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 20-Sep-2008 14:41:44

I'm not surprise to hear this types of news. People these days deny descrimination and such but yeah, whatever is wrong with someone, they will never accept it. Why? Because they can't use that person to work for them, so, they kill him. Second, they will kill who ever they want because thats their job.

Post 5 by happyman (Veteran Zoner) on Saturday, 20-Sep-2008 21:52:44

The thing that has not been reported in the western media, and of relevance to the zoners is the israeli bombing of a Palestinian school for the blind in 2002. I find it unconscienable that it was never reported in the western media, or if it was i have not seen it. I believe the reason is because there were no casualities. So, the terrorising of the Palestinian blind children mattered less to the what so called "objective western reporters".

Post 6 by The Sensible Millennial (I'll stop correcting you when you stop being wrong.) on Monday, 22-Sep-2008 13:02:22

Prettygirl, is it? It isn't because the guy had a learning disability. It's because he spazzed on a soldier. Accept him for who he is? Dude attacked him. "It is there job." That it is, ma'am. That it is.

The Israeli bombing wasn't reported in western media in 2002 because the US, for one thing, is allied with Israel, and you'll pardon me prioritizing things, but had bigger fish to fry at the time. If you recall, there was a terrorist attack not long before, and we had recently been drawn into conflicts of our own.